think the -- i think the political establishment will better understand is that rhetoric got him re-elected with the guarantee that there would be some action. >> now, can i put out a really, really just dumb question here to the panel? the thing you just listed, why that not happen the first time? >> some of it did. the president promulgated regulation on future power plants, limiting emissions they could put out. >> and they're quite stran gent. >> passed the strongest fuel economy standards in history. my view is the president has a massive political opportunity because of climate change impacts. people are now feeling them in their lives, in their neighborhoods and in their lively hoods. it's affecting our economy already. major insurance studies show this. when i was working for president clinton, we had to talk about climate change in future tense. now president obama can talk about it in presence tenst tens. that's huge. >> him talking about the storms and fires, because to me the only hope we have, and it's a bizarre grim hope, is that actually the effects of climate change are happ